"A team of archaeologists, paleoanthropologists, and paleoartists has created a more accurate Neanderthal reconstruction, based on a nearly complete skeleton discovered in France more than 100 years ago. The La Ferrassie Neanderthal man was short but stocky. If a modern man came nose-to-nose with a Neanderthal, could he take him in a fight?
Possibly. A Neanderthal would have a clear power advantage over his Homo sapiens opponent. Many of the Neanderthals archaeologists have recovered had Popeye forearms, possibly the result of a life spent stabbing wooly mammoths and straight-tusked elephants to death and dismantling their carcasses. Neanderthals also developed strong trapezius, deltoid, and tricep muscles by dragging 50 pounds of meat 30 miles home to their families. A Neanderthal had a wider pelvis and lower center of gravity than Homo sapiens, which would have made him a powerful grappler. That doesn't mean, however, that we would be an easy kill for our extinct relative. Homo sapiens probably has a longer reach, on average, than Neanderthals did, and more stamina. Most importantly, we could deploy these advantages to maximum effect using our superior wits. It's obviously speculative, but a modern man of above-average build would have an excellent chance of defeating a Neanderthal in hand-to-hand combat if he could keep his opponent at arm's length, survive the initial onslaught, and wear him down."* Archaeologists are offering their own insight on the issue. Cenk Uygur and John Iadarola (Host, TYT University) weigh in, and analyze how modern humans might fare against our other evolutionary neighbors.
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Yes homo sapiens would beat the crap out of the neanderthals............................................., WITH A BOW AND ARROW :')
Please please please guys, neanderthal beats human in hand to hand combat. We evolved to sit behind a desk pushing buttons, they evolved to do hand to hand combat with northern beasts of the ice age.. What a ridicoulus idea that we would beat them in a mma fight xD We would beat them, but with bow and arrow. Sorry, we are that pathetic.
I like Young Turks... but they got some of the answers wrong about Neanderthals. They went extinct because they breaded w/us. Not because we went to war w/them.
I challenge you guys to research it on BBC, NatGeo, Scientific American, or any trusted source. These guys just gave an opinion rather than use informative knowledge.
I think Neanderthal man go extinct. because the diseases human bring to their caves. I think they fight I think they make peace. I think they interbreed and we are the remain of their DNA.
examples. central America indigenous people. 8 o 10 die because diseases.
but their decedent its almost. now mix race. because they fight make peace interbreed.
and now their decedent have immunity from that diseases.
Theese guys need a paelo anthropology lesson. Neanderthals are larger because they follow Bergmann's rule, Homo heidelbergensis moved into northern climates, they got larger and so their brains got larger because their bodies require more sugar, thus the brain gets more sugar, thus the brain must be larger. Jon is wrong, we basically did just out-breed them, we know western Europeans picked up at least 12 genes associated with male infertility from neanderthals. hence why their technology and art was better than ours and they taught humans to make spears ect.
"hence why their technology and art was better than ours and they taught humans to make spears ect."
Humans came to Europe with spears so that never happened. In terms of who had better art it's subjective and there is no definitive answer but most scientist lean towards homo sapiens being superior in all categories.
A lot of what was said about neanderthal in this video were wrong.
The Neanderthal brain is larger then the modern human brain. The old perception that neanderthal were mentally disabled is now seen as a false assumption.
The Neanderthal in fact used more of they're brain to control the physical body. That means the neanderthal had freakish instinctive reaction in physical battle.
The average Neanderthal man could bench about 350lbs to 550lbs. They also had very large and powerful hands compared to modern humans.
Neanderthal skeleton shows they had much thicker bones then modern human's and were wider at the shoulders and chest.
Average modern human wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell with a neanderthal one on one in cage.
Much of what Steven says is correct.
In fact, DNA shows that it was Neanderthal males who took human females and cross bred. That small group had inbred and created some genetic defects. Cross breeding with cave men allowed these recessive gene inbreds to gain attributes necessary for that phenotype to exist in places where no human was really supposed to dwell, but cross breeding allowed them to have the dietary changes needed to survive. This was advantageous in the primitive world, but creates a plethora of health problems within those who carry Neanderthal DNA.
Some advantages gained was in tools. Others included their barbarism and war mongering tendencies... they are more aggressive, war like, and murderous, a combination stemming from DNA crossing and geographical necessity, creating an ability and propensity for conquering others, conquests, and possessiveness, especially of land, and the genocide and eradication of anything that wasnt them. A mentality birthed from an ancient necessity.
As a result...at the end of the day, when all is said and done (meaning yes, we must account for all atrocities committed by ALL 'groups', especially if we group people by phenotypes, i.e. 'race') the European (i.e. the Caucasian phenotype, i.e Haplogroup r1b and their immediate cousins, i.e. 'whites') are, hands down, this planets most invasive species.
The 'extinct' Neanderthal... has the last laugh.
+Siobhan victorian Actually Neanderthals aren't all together dead. People with European ancestry have some Neanderthal DNA. People with Asian ancestry have Denisovan DNA. Only those with 100% African ancestry are 100% Homo Sapiens.
if I was too assume you where white or European Asian decent you are a hybrid of Neanderthal & Human so saying "we" is not 100% correct lol...only about 95% considering the genome would 1-4% Neanderthal
I wouldnt fancy my chances against a Neandertal close quarters, even I'd been raised in the wild and was as tough as an ancient Human.
Neandertals were built for close range fighting-it was all they knew. Humans killed them with ranged weaponry.
_We have lighter body structures_
Easier to smash.
_faster metabolism and keen eye sight_
No, Neandertals had better eyesight, especially at night, its what their bigger brains were for.
_reaction time is much quicker too_
Possibly ancient humans did.
_We have dominant tactical range and_.
Better tactics and rangefighting doesnt matter in close range fight.
_ adrenal medulla's that put off adrenal when stressed shutting down organs that aren't important at the time_
All mammals have that.
_We have heightened endurance compared to them and we have thicker skulls with bigger hearts._
Neandertals had thicker skulls. You just said they had thicker bone structure. Neandertals evolved for close range fighting over 100s of thousands of years. Neandertals also liked to smash eachother in the head so they needed thick skulls.
Endurance could help yes, but only if the fights not too short and brutal, which it would be, if the Neandertal got its way.
_We notice weak spots such as heads achilles heal and eyes._
Every predator does that. Neandertals were predators.
_We have floating ribs_
Easily breakable ribs.
_sensing is heightened to our advantage._
We didnt have better senses, nothing of use in a scuffle at least.
_We have cartilage for faster arm movement and stronger forearms._
Wider range of motion, better at throwing things, not better at driving a spear into something or clubbing something to death.
_We could outsmart them too._
And we did. In war, and life in general. But this is a simple one on one fight.
+Johnny Luken We have lighter body structures, faster metabolism and keen eye sight compared to them. Are reaction time is much quicker too. We have dominant tactical range and adrenal medulla's that put off adrenal when stressed shutting down organs that aren't important at the time.We have heightened endurance compared to them and we have thicker skulls with bigger hearts. We notice weak spots such as heads achilles heal and eyes. We have floating ribs and sensing is heightened to our advantage. We have cartilage for faster arm movement and stronger forearms. We could outsmart them too.
When ppl say humans interbred with extinct hominids they mean different races interbred with different hominids. In Europe, Neanderthals interbred with whites. In Africa, Boisei interbred with blacks. There was also a Russian hominid which travelled down to Borneo and interbred with modern humans there.
Homo floriensis was killed off only 200 yrs ago in Indonesia, the last group said to have been burned to death in its cave for eating a human child. Maybe we didnt kill them by hand. Maybe we used bows and arrows.
+Lucy Kelly: The only article I could find on this stated that the last Floriensis died closer to 12,000 years ago. Where did you get your info from? I don't ask in a challenging way, I'm just curious.
You are making a lot of assumptions based on very little evidence. We don't know much about what happened tens of thousands of years ago. We can assume that in some cases homo Sapien sapiens killed homo sapiens nandrethalis, and in others they interbred with them. But in no way can we assume that it was consensual sex or that it was rape. I would think that in some cases it was one and in some the other. But, you know, nobody was keeping records, there was no writing. So we don't really know.
Ethan, thats actually what happened...a combination. Dont worry, the tendencies that whites seem to have for rape...comes from their Neanderthal side, as its surmised that cave men raped melanin deficient humans that had migrated out of Africa. This is assimed because a)it was male cave man DNA that crossed with female human DNA, and b) theres already been tons of evidence showing humans and Neanderthals werent too friendly as many cave man remains show they were murdered violently, and pushed out of existence by encroaching humans.
The fact that its in ALL Europeans and NO Africans shows it happened early and happened when Europeans left Africa, and the group was so small scientists believe it was as little as ten, who multiplied by inbreeding before running into Neanderthals
+Johnny Luken Im mixed and have always looked at that as being the closet thing to 100% human.. Many different genes make for great genetic diversity aka healthy intelligent human. (Of course not guaranteed.)
No such thing as 100% human. We're all a patchwork with different genetics and constantly evolving and intermixing.
Africans bred with archaic groups aswell. West Africans have 20% Archaic DNA, and even small amounts of Homo Erectus DNA!
They know the neanderthal male was as strong as probaly two Arnold Schwarzeneggars which is proven from the shape of their rib cage to support far more musculature and UFC always involves grappling. So you do the math. We killed them with numbers not intelligence. Whites predominate in strength competitions so maybe neanderthal genes are at play. Octagon is where the neanderthal would rule since he is a close up fighter like say Mike Tyson who had astounding speed and was short and shorter arms like Neanderthals.They wouldnt use his hooks but wouldnt need to. Im sure they could take a punch mucccchhh better than us due to the power in their jaws and thick necks absorbing a punch again reminiscent of Tyson. I think we could dance around but how long would that last?
Brian Fortney well using your mindset whites are have more neanderthal than blacks and that why they're stronger. Ok well blacks have less neanderthal and they dominante all combat sports ufc goats like Anderson Silva jon Jones ect and i dont even need to mention boxing we all know what blacks and latinos do in that sport.
It's a theory. It's not off based considering the Nordic race is full of giants and that's the most highly represented group in world strongman. Different hominids we haven't discovered interbred back then and west African groups are different than east. Not all whites are the same nor blacks.
The lack of education they have on this subject astounds me. In a MMA fight the neanderthal would win easily. Also, east asian martial arts tend to trump european ones. It takes 10 years on average to master something like boxing while it takes about 20 for something like taekwondo. That's why you see more boxers win fights than do martial artists simply because most martial artists are NOT trained to the peak that they need to be at. Someone who uses karate and has been training for 5 years will lose against a boxer that has been training for 5 years. But a boxer that has been training for 20 years will lose against a martial artists who has been training for 20 years.
The Paranthropus Boisei is 1 to 2 millions old, and never left Africa. He is one of the first Hominids in history nothing like Neanderthal or Heidelbergensis. The Heildelbergensis was found in northern Spain and was a mix of Homo Sapiens whit Neanderthal.
I'm sorry but neanderthals were not that dumb. You can't compare a modern human to a neanderthal, you have to compare them in a parallell time frame. If neanderthals and humans lived in peace and did not breed(which they did), they'd just be one of us a functional member of society. Perhaps they would have done the more hardy work, but that's about it(kinda like klingons), and not running around in the wild.
What these idiots do not realize is that they are both part neanderthal, and so are you and we. anyone who left africa 70,000 years ago mixed with neanderthals, and unless you are african american, or part of the group who stayed in africa 70,000 years ago (ie: current african) then you are anywhere between 1% to 5% neanderthal.
also, it's not confirmed that they are dumber, that's just a possibility.
People in here can't be this ignorant. well the ones that are
anyway fighting the neanderthal would be like fighting yourself
since they are part of us literally and not to mention Pidophile
Lustyman is an idiot considering Matt Hando is right.
Scientists have actually proved that all those turko-gnomic people with an animal complex of inferiority and hate against judeo-christianity, especially the ones having those strange noses are the modern descendants of the Neanderthals and they also tend to always create those type of systems that lead towards genocide the way it happened in Germany. So it all fits their results.
I don't agree Neanderthal brain is bigger than Homo sapiens fact, there is no credible proof to say they were less intelligent as they did all the things humans did in same period. Studying the skeleton I noticed it is almost twice as dense so I can imagine it supporting more muscle also they are wider frame they would definitely click our ass, they were designed for an ice age
Actually all non-Africans, not just Europeans, have Neanderthal DNA albeit a small amount. That's because there were incidences of interbreeding between modern humans and Neanderthals in the Middle-East region as modern humans migrated out of Africa approx. 60,000 years ago. Hence all non-Africans today have small amount of Neanderthal genetics. Intelligence is not only dictated by brain size, it's the brain mass and wiring.
+Ben Bennett I dunno about that up until a few centuries back everyone was up to that stuff I guess the worst cases would be the times it happened on a global scale i.e the different empires. Roman and British were whites Persian were arab and Mongol were asian I can't think of any black empires offhand but to this day theres a lot of atrocities happening in Africa where 'warlords' destroy villages and communities capture children and train them as soldiers or sell them to the sex trade so I'm sure they're catching up at least :)
+Matt “Hando88” Hando Chill, he never pointed out he was black there is more than black and white. That statistic is based upon community, but if you base it on population, no one has raped, enslaved, beaten, violently and brutally murdered more than whites,.
Easy, dude. With you agressive behaviour you are only proving Matt's theory, kiddo. Your race? There aren't such things as distinct human races and modern antrophology proves that. Yeah, we are all one, no matter how dark is our skin or what is your face shape. You were implying that I can't read, while it occurs to me that actually YOU are one who can't do so. Did I said something about black people? Nah. I just commented on your lack of consequence in your opinions and statements. You consider Matt a racist, because he claimed that black people are more likely to commit crimes. Yet you ignored the earlier commenter, who said same thing about whites, only in different words. Also, you are the one calling me "little shit". Who is being racist then, huh?
+kervens jasmin Oh, I can. You see, you called Matt a racist, because he spoke about black people in negative way. But you ignored the comment he was responding to, written by this Lustyman guy. I mean... It seems that he is some kind of troll, but still, his words are no less racist. Sorry, I didn't wanted to sound mean, offensive, nor bigoted. It's just not fair to say "all the whites are xxx" and "all the blacks are yyy", and we must react in both cases equally. Peace bro.
Pretty sure humans didn't train in combat way back when neanderthals were around, so using modern martial arts to fight a 45 thousand year old neanderthal would be a no brainer of who'd win. Also, since the people in the video placed them in the ring, that would mean the neanderthal would have had the same training in combat as the human. With each at their best, I'm sure endurance isn't much of an issue or difference, and so I would bet on the neanderthal.
We outnumbered them, few resources in cold Europe made them extinct and also humans must have killed them.Some estimates puts we outnumbered them 20:1. We inherited 1-4% genes from neanderthal except sub Saharans one benefit was our better immune system. Their male and our female interbreed. Australians, Melanesians interbred with our sub species called Denisovans.
We didn't beat Neanderthals. We are Neanderthals. All Europeans have Neanderthal DNA, but not Africans. Neanderthals had very large brains and were probably pale and red headed much like their living descendents in Europe.
The Neanderthal man would easily win with strong muscles and hunting/combat skills. More modern men as Roman soldiers wore suits of armour, one third of their body weight, They were strong men as well. Men of the present day are excessively soft and very flabby, giving us poor reflex skills.
Modern man would fight then go home and order some chinese food and go to sleep in a warm bed, a neanderthal would fight then go skin a deer with its bare hands and then rest its head on a cold rock, i'd put my money on the neanderthal in a fight with no weapons, with weapons the human wins.
You're aware of the way that term is USUALLY used? I don't think I want to pursue this debate with the direction that remark is likely to lead. Any talk of "jungles" & Neanderthal Man is also completely misinformed. Some of the physiological differences between them and Cro-Magnon/Homo Sapiens (i.e. "us") are the ways in which their bodies were adapted to COLD CLIMATE. They survived the Ice Age. You're way, way off in your read of them as just another archaic human species.
handicap pf evolution? mother natüre? evidance of religion? pick one..
but actually; you can not y for example (and it is not exact number) an animal (that includes humans) brain is 20% of his Wall body... it might be 25% on elephants or 15% on giraffes. it is like chromosomes. they differ but their count mean nothing.
No ...it doesn't. The only claims in this video are about who would prevail in one on one, hand-to-hand combat, not who went extinct as a species for unknown reasons. Props for telling off an anti-semite though.
Large animals tend to have large brains to control there large bodies, medium sized animals have medium brains. Human have proportionately large brains for there size, that is what indicates our intelligence. A Neanderthal brain is very large given there size, so we can assume they are intelligent. to some extent, it is the area of the brain that is not dedicated to maintaining our basic functions that determines a rough degree of our intelligence.
there are 3 things. you know their brain size is big but it does not indicates intelligance and they migh be just monkeys with better anatomycal build. and second, they might be just humans with a little strange anathomy. 3rd is they might be lived way way before us. human history goes only 200k years before that is proven by your mitochondrial dna. and they might be this first one that is animals with better anathomy.
brain size indicates intelligance? dude that makes you a dumb about this topic therefore nothing you said is true until proven becouse brain size is NOT indicates ANYTHING. there ae bigger animals that has brains as big as your wole body. and they are not intalligent.
Skeletons also include skulls, Skulls indicate brain size. Brain size indicates intelligence. We can also see the size of the Hypoglossal canal, a part of the skull that contains the nerves to the tongue. A large canal indicates a large number of nerves, which indicates high control of the tongue. tongue control is related to ability to produce sophisticated speech, In Neanderthals, it is very large. Indicating intelligence. Using nothing more than bones, we can tell a lot about intelligence.
Humans are taller - No not really, Global average human height is much more around the height of a Neanderthal.
Humans are smarter - Not conclusively proven, Neanderthals have greater brain capacity, which loosely correlates to greater intelligence. They also had language and tools.
We could beat them easily in hand to hand combat - Not Likely, as they where extremely robust and muscular. They possessed short but powerful limbs.
They became extinct for more subtle and complicated reasons.
WTF neandethals were stronger than chimpanzee's you idiot they would easily pop our heads off in a fight even if they were 5 years old. It's sad that you think humans with martial arts would stand a chance against creatures with 6 times are muscle tone in hand to hand combat.
1 regular neanderthan can beat 4 regular human? yea and thats not all! we are the extincted race. you are saying they are stronger and smarted. and hey they are dead for 30000 years. they were not strong nor smart. and there is a slight chance that they might be stronger but they were not even as smart as gorillas... or you will have to explain that extinction with alien invasions...
actually we have nothing more than their bones. so if they are less smart than a fish we wont know that. those theories are just for entertainment of evolutionists...
and hey.. if it is can not be tested than you cant say it is unlikely and duh thats the main topic. human vs neanderthals
they even had a bigger brain than homo sapiens,
Homo sapiens did only win because of luck,
Homo sapiens did only win because they were living open terrain,
Neanderthals inside the forest.
Neanderthals are good in close combat,
while homo sapiens are more better at a distant.
There are advantages on both sides as well as disadvantages.
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